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MaryAlice Parks

And yet, Perry, the president has used that disclosure as a key part of his defense. He has rather effectively made the case, to his supporters at least, that he could not have done anything wrong since he released the transcript. If it’s out in the open, can there be anything in it worth hiding?

Rick Klein

Nathaniel, I wonder if Goldman realized what he was doing right there. That stings.

Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux

Toward the end, Goldman focused on another conspiracy theory — that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that interfered in the 2016 election. That’s been a potentially promising line for Trump because it could make a request for a Ukrainian investigation into the 2016 election seem more legitimate. Kent was having none of it. “I think it’s amply clear that Russian interference was at the heart of interference in the 2016 election cycle,” he said.


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