What Went Down During Gordon Sondland’s Testimony

“If we wanted to get anything done with Ukraine it was apparent we had to talk to Rudy.”

Sondland is not really disputing the details of the call that Holmes heard, but saying that he doesn’t remember it. So he is not putting this stuff that is most damning about Trump in his own words. That said, Sondland is affirming the broader narrative here.

That seems big … Sondland basically confirms the accounts of his phone call with Trump that Holmes overheard.