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Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux

Sondland is drawing a line between Giuliani and Trump — but maybe not quite as clearly as Democrats would like? “We had been hearing about investigations from Rudy,” he says, and the assumption was that Giuliani was getting his marching orders from the president.

Perry Bacon Jr.

Sondland is trying to suggest his call with Trump involved the word “investigation” but not “Biden.”

Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux

Sondland is trying to throw some cold water on the testimony we’ll hear tomorrow about the July 26 call. “I never recalled saying Biden,” he says. The investigations were about Burisma, according to him — he only became aware that it was synonymous with “Biden” later.


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